Gracie Abrams, the 26-year-old singer-songwriter, recently shared her thoughts on the significance of angel numbers, attachment theory, and her creative synergy with collaborator Aaron Dessner during her appearance on the podcast *Therapuss*. In a candid conversation with host Jake Shane, she discussed her beliefs in mystical practices, astrology, and the unique atmosphere of Dessner’s Long Pond Studio.
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Abrams openly identifies with several concepts often classed as ‘woo-woo’. She expressed a strong belief in the power of angel numbers, particularly the significance of 11:11. “Every time it’s 11:11, I have to make a wish,” she shared, demonstrating her commitment to this practice as part of her daily life. The singer also mentioned a quirky habit introduced by a crew member during her tours, where he taps three times whenever he sees three consecutive numbers. This ritual, she explained, has now become part of her own routine.
In addition to discussing number patterns, Abrams broached the topic of astrology, revealing that she is a Virgo. However, she admitted she doesn’t consider herself an astrology expert. When Shane mentioned that his lucky number is seven—coincidentally her birthday—Abrams reflected on the peculiar connections that can arise between people. “I’m not super into it, but I think I have surface-level knowledge,” she noted, highlighting her mixed feelings about the subject.
The conversation shifted to attachment theory, which Abrams acknowledged she has not fully mastered. Currently in a relationship with actor Paul Mescal, she explained the importance of maintaining some aspects of their life private, despite the public nature of their romance. “It’s a source of peace and joy for me,” she said, adding her reflections on how her bond with Mescal has evolved her perspective on attachment. “I think I have been anxious in the past. I feel, by some miracle, securely attached today,” she noted, though she added, “But watch it be different tomorrow.”
Abrams also delved into her musical collaboration with Dessner, describing their creative partnership as familial. The pair recorded much of her latest album at Long Pond Studio, a location Abrams finds profoundly inspiring. “It feels like the physical manifestation of Aaron’s spirit,” she remarked, suggesting that the space is imbued with creative energy due to their deep connection.
Her description of Long Pond Studio conveyed a sense of the otherworldly, claiming that being there felt like entering a different universe. “The air has a different texture or something,” she said. This feeling, according to Abrams, can enhance the creative process, making it an entirely unique experience linked closely to her friendship with Dessner.
Throughout the interview, Abrams expressed a belief that her life is shaped by an interplay of experiences and serendipitous moments that align in unexpected ways. Reflecting on her journey in music, she expressed gratitude for the experiences that have led her to where she is now. “I think now I have a fondness for everything that came before because of whatever ‘woo-woo’ led me here,” she reflected.
As she navigates her artistic path, Abrams embraces the unconventional aspects of her identity and the mystical elements that resonate with her life’s narrative. The blending of her beliefs in angel numbers, astrology, and creatively charged collaborations illustrates her unique approach to both her music and personal relationships.
Listeners can catch new episodes of *Therapuss with Jake Shane* every Tuesday and Wednesday night, streaming exclusively on Netflix and Spotify. Abrams’ insights into her deeply felt spiritual and emotional experiences provide a fascinating look into the mind of a young artist carving out her place in the music industry while remaining true to her beliefs.